xc. No repairs either. Edenpure heaters are CRAP. Bill Burkett lives in Boerne, TX; previous cities include Helotes TX and San Antonio TX. Don't buy Edenpure heater they are scammer. The key to these are you heat the rooms you are living in during the day so you use your furnace less. A UNIT is $1000. In repairing my ductwor, I found one unattached duct that was heating my attic! I am trying to heat about a 400 SQ foot area. He is just whoring for the Edenpure company (or whatever their corporate identification is). The same amount of air goes through. With D.B. The EdenPure heater uses 1500 Watts. Whether you like the article or not - the simple fact is any cost savings you are seeing by using an Eden Pure heater is due to the use of "zone heating" I.e. I saw Bob Vila's very convincing infomercial and I agree that space heating rooms might be more efficient than a leaky whole-house system, and it does seem logical that one 1500 watt 5000 btu space heater shouldn't be any better than another, but I would be interested to know if any Eden Pure owners have actually found this second point to be true. As well as my cats! Also Bob Villa states Zone heating (room or smaller area) not the whole house. when you look at the other sales websites they state in stock but edenpures states out of stock so they have to make it to sell it. Paying almost $400.00 an Edenpure with needing bulbs every two years, these are no longer a savings, Biotech Research lends their name Edenpure out to all these little retailers who soak you on the price of the heating bulbs. I borrowed a friends EdenPure 1000. A well designed heater can produce far more heated CFM than a poorly designed heater. It has exactly the same power of 1000 to 2000 Watts as everything else including EdenPure. FACT: Nonsense. The above people are correct, you can only get so much heat out of a given amount of electricity. E.g. However after studying A LOT of them including Duraflame, and all the current ones on the market, I found Dr. Infrared to be the best comparable for a fraction of the cost of EdenPure, as well as the most highly recommended. bl. Bill Burkett Wiki: Salary, Married, Wedding, Spouse, Family Bill Burkett was the CBS source in the Killian documents affair of 2004. . I bet they will not stand behind the heater because you cannot get anyone to answer the phone and they just want you to give up. He is retired as a Lieutenant Colonel from the Texas Army National Guard. I to have an Edenpure system that I purchased for my basement. Yes, you can buy heaters for less, but do you trust leaving them on during the night or when away from home. I was about to order an eden pure online when I saw this site and decided to read consumer comments first. You cannot beat basic rule of physics saying that energy does not come from nowhere, and does not disappear to nowhere. Bought one of the USA made heaters last year and found the heater to be less effective than any of the other electric heaters I have used in the past. Hmmm, think about it. I'm sure it puts out heat. I do not believe Bob Villa has used one for the main heating in his home, but I do believe he has likely used it for zone heating. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 12, 2011: Cold in Mass, you can only run your heater 1 1/2 hours at .17 a kilowatt, not all night. If the ceiling were 12', then the amount of air, 1200 cubic feet, would need heating. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on December 27, 2011: Let us know how the EdenPURE works for you, the man. *** So the smaller heater will produce heat but others that I have tried burn the air. That was going to be a total of 5-6 zones. Suarez Corporation Industries / Pinnacle Systems have absolutely NO component life test data to back-up their component life claims. Nice flat spot for debris. If you want to prove it to yourself then put a thermometer in two of the same size rooms that start out at the same temp and are the same size turn then both on the highest setting at the same time and watch the temp increase I can promise the hair dryer will win. The pilgrim done swallowed the hook too. EdenPure makes all these claims about saving money, but in their ad they say their $197 Personal heater will heat a room of 300 sq. It is great for days like today when the chill was just too much in the house, but it is not something you want to use consistently during the day and night. up. Before eden pure electric bill $75.00 and Propane bill (75 gals per month/2.99 = 224.25. total monthly costs $299.25, After eden pure electric bill $135.00 and Propane bill (25 gals per month/2.99= 74.75 total monthly costs $209.75, $347.00 for new Gen4, pays for self in 3.87 months, Don't care about all you "stats" just what my check book says, and it tells me the Eden Pure is working for me :))). The peddlers of these overpriced 1500-watt heaters such as Edenpure and the highly-advertised "Amish" heaters are ripping off many gullible folks who are seeking ways to save on energy costs. My electric bill actually increased. Look at your furnace's btu rating. As a local family owned company that has been in business for over 30 years, we continue to value the trust you have placed with us to provide your families and homes with professional, reliable and affordable Heating, Cooling & Indoor Air Quality solutions. A btu IS a btu, weather you use oil, wood, propane, electricity, gasoline, kerosene, camel dung, or a candle to make the heat. Edenpure tried to be disingenuously suggestive. I cannot tell you if the heater is worth it or not, because they will not answer the phone once you place an order. Television ads do not tell you shipping is charged if you have problems and need to send them back. My central gas system is currently broken beyond repair, and until I can install a new system, I am heating every room with electric space heaters, and here in the cold mountains, it's running $300-$400/month (yes, I know, it's temporary madness). I just needed to confirm that there hadn't been a major scientific breakthrough that makes free energy. That is the real savings. Process for forming coal compact without a binder Patent number: 5658357 They definitely do state 1000 SQ.FT., not cubic feet.I really don't need you to explain to me the difference in cubic feet and square feet. Earlier this month, Bill Burkett, a retired lieutenant colonel in the Texas National Guard and the man who provided CBS producers with the controversial documents at the heart of the "60. Question: What is a radiant barrier? I used the Gen3 1000 last winter and it kept our living area comfortable. Inventors: Burkett, William W. (Galena, MO, US) Ok Bob Yila lets stand behind your product and give me my money back now Do a cost comparison yourself. Heat from #2 fuel oil burning furnace will cost you $33.25 for 1 million btus, if you are paying $3.58 per gallon. at a fraction of the cost,with the same heat output a far fewer failure rates. Because heating up a room with electric heat is the most expensive way to do it, simply closing off furnace ducts to unused rooms would result in bigger savings using an EdenPURE, and it would not involve the cost of a new heater. Other heaters I've used don't keep the rooms warm because the controls don't allow the versatility that the EdenPure does. Both the gen 4 and the personal. After reading all the negative reviews posted about the Eden Pure,I called back to cancel my order. less per month power bill. All EdenPURE does is dress it up and jack the price to the stratosphere. A 1500 watt heater is a 1500 watt heater REGARDLESS of how much you promote it or charge for it! We bought an Eden Pure Gen 1000 a month and a half ago and lo and behold our electric company called today because they noticed a huge spike in our usage, as a matter of fact our usage has more than doubled. Are the so called experts on here thick or something. If you can't understand that then you must be stupid. Of course, they are not as pretty, and being a woman I do want my house pretty, but again if I can save that much money by not using the air until it hits 80 in the house (and BTW the a/c does not stay on long with the fans on). He went to the furnace room and found it comfortably warm, which he attributed to the retention and re-radiation of heat from a sheet of "cured copper" stored there. Let me easily explain. I put up with very high bills until last year from what is no more than a heater that was supposed to be a heat pump, meaning it runs on heat strips. I have two Eden Pures in my home and they really work. I will check the duct for cracks and insulation and if I want to get cheaper, I'll look into the Sun. I needed the one with electric thermostat but I did not get that. Furthermore, after you buy the first one they give substantial discounts on future purchases of any of their products. 1500w in one heater is not the same as 1500w in another using different tech to generate heat. You should use your own judgement and take some care to buy the right product for you. Price? Crawfordville, FL (1) Daytona Beach (FL) (4) Fort Myers-Cape Coral (FL) (6) Fort Pierce-Port St. Lucie (FL) (1) I promise you the payback on this will be much better than an expensive space heater. Emmy Award-winning American news personality Ken Rosato Ken is best known for his work in WABC-TV's morning newscasts. And Sylvania's bulb life testing, like all other lamp manufacturers, is performed in still air with infrequent on/off cycles (once a day to once a week). I have tried to return it for refund, but had to have the ORIGINAL shipping container, which I do not have after 2+ months, and neither Bass Pro Outlet nor Edenpure will accept the return w/o original shipping box, which Edenpure will NOT sell me because they say they only have one container per heater produced. Our house is more than 2800 square feet (not cubic feet) and we have the heater down stairs. In fact, I had to get up and turn down the heat later as I was sweating. The heat output from an electric heater goes directly into the room, without being lost to the leaky ductwork, that may be part of the reason that people observe that the electric heaters (edenPure or otherwise) appear to "solve their heating problems" !! I told her that I wanted my order cancelled and it was I hope. so I'm told we will send you another RFH I don't think so on the customer service center letterhead it states OUR GOAL IS IOO% CUSTOMER SATISFACTION. No its all on the website and in the advert's you've just got to read and understand. I borrowed one of these heaters from my Mom and it heated the whole back half of my house. I plugged it in this spring to take the chill out. If not there could be an additional charge etc,. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on February 19, 2019: This article was published a few years back when EdenPURE advertised their heaters at $400. June 10, 2022 bardowie loch parking. LMAO, i will say for one i have a ranch style home and its 1800 sq ft and i dont use ne thing but an eden pure except sometimes an additional space heater in my bedroom wich is nearly half my house and i tel ya it does stay war,m i have put plastic and stuff up but in reality i was payin 300 plus a month and now its always under 250 so somthin workn cause i write my monthly bills on a calendar to compare and believe me th thermostat stays off and so do eden pure at nite soo i duno if u got a 3 story mansion i wouldnt worry if ur one level get one is my advice. I'll bet they had a forced-air heat pump. This means it produces 5118 BTU of heat. Another interesting point that only Delbert seemed to make is--- how much maintenance is required? Was given to me as a gift and I'm looking to buy a second unit for my second floor. You just lay it loose on top so nothing touches it. My best friend bought two, I told her not to do it. Just don't turn on your heat. The point has been made of how some feel about it. The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly. In response to my last post, I can afford a 300.00 loss due to this scam, but what about the next person. Some people still can't get it. Caveat emptor. That crock of the well-known barnyard commodity doesn't cut it. I could not see any savings at all. The heater is a point source of heat. We. Oh Al, It is you who does not understand electric restisance heating AT ALL Continue to believe what you want to believe. KALAMAZOO/PORTAGE heating & air conditioning/hvac. 2) Say you live in a 11,000 sq. I guess after all those years pushing Sears tools, Villa decided to push yet another scam. EdenPURE Classic CopperPLUS Heater $272.00 $399.00 Best Sellers EdenPURE 3000 Whole House Air Purifier by AirFree $299.00 $374.00 EdenPURE GEN50 Infrared Heater $297.00 $399.00 EdenPURE GEN40 Heater $247.00 $447.00 EdenPURE Bio SpeedCLEAN Cordless Vac - Model XL200 $249.00 $299.00 EdenPURE GEN21 EdenPURE All Season Heater $279.00 $447.00 While at home he is not acting as an agent of the business so his actions were not in conflict with his duty of loyalty or notification. I tried to return the heater and it has been a running around to find the right place where I purchased it from. Eden Pure is a scam because the details are hidden in clever word usage the average person, many of them on here I see, cannot grasp. Square feet is the area of floor space, cubic feet is the amount of air in a room. I just read Steve's reply and had he spelled better I might have give it more creditability. Solve this simple math problem and enter the result. It is a well-marketed $40 electric heater selling for $400 or more. This article will examine the claims made by EdenPUREs manufacturer and expose their lies. The Air King 8132 1500 watt ceramic space heater covers areas up to 150 square feet. The USA has turned into a scam hotbed. Second, it does not have any fan that blows hot air into your room, along with all dust and mites that you inhale, getting allergies and respiratory problems. He's doing this because he thinks its a good product and it is if used in the right situation. You are just cutting costs by heating a smaller areasomething you could have done without a $400 space heater. It's clear that you have not only taken the bait, but swallowed the hook. How can 1500 watts out perform 1500 watts? A company of integrity that believes all the implications of their own commercial to be true would have no problem warranteeing for one year and paying return costs for the "so few that would come back. There not trying to rip you off or scam you. With the economy and everyone wanting to save money, it is shameful that Mr. Villa put his name on this product. In Feb of 08 I had to order replacement bulbs, they cost $59.00 for the 1000. The big SCAM not mentioned is the advertised life of the Edenpure US-1000 or Gen4 heaters. Look at fuel price comparisons, you'll see that electric heat is by far the most expensive. Within a month the heating capacity was diminished 50 %. I'm going to have to take back part of the comment about space heaters. The Gen 3 and 4 buyers beware, you're just the new victoms, your heating bulbs will probably be higher, because they are newer and new and improved. If I was Bob Vila I would not put my name on the product if they cannot get anyone to anwser the customer service number or even return your calls. Only if you needed this type Of heater. My only issue is that the second year it started turning off all the time for no reason and now it's just sitting in my spare room doing nothing. A radiant barrier works best in the attic. Conclusion: Bill Burkett acted within his rights and duties as an employee of John Handon. I'm absolutely thrilled with my unit. Sale price $247.00 Sale. Vince DeAntonio ( D. B. Sweeney) is a former college football offensive coordinator, who abruptly resigned five years earlier, and has now become coach at the high school. About 8 years ago, I got an estimate for ZONE HEATING for my home including the garage. Here is a great explanation of what you should look for (that and a 'wide mouth'): http://www.biophysicscenter.com/infrared-heaters.h Hope this helps!! You also only heat one room so it costs over $2 per room at an 8 hour run. The Edenpure is better than most electric heaters because Of how it creates its heat. I called customer service and they sent me a prepaid shipping label to return it and they sent me another one. A 1500-watt heater will produce at most 5000 BTUs. Saying you might cut your heating bill in half is a lie. Felt bad for the guy. i.e. The heater might be graet but at this time I don't want to take that chance just incase it is not what BOB VILA claims to be ture. I purchased several other type of quartz heaters for back up heating source. Buyer beware ! My heat gun is about 5 times hotter than my wife's hairdryer. The cost was going to be $10,000. Poor Rita still doesn't get that cubic feet is the area that you have to heat, in a room. So, I turned on the EdenPure, had it on high, which I didn't need to do, and my upstairs is varying from a toasty 70 degrees to 67 at the farthest areas from the EdenPure. I might buy a DuraFlame simply because it is the same and half the price. If you read it carefully, it never really claims that the Eden Pure heater is a miraculous heat source. For your reference, I use Lasko heaters in my home and office. Infrared heaters are efficient and fast, and can also be a good choice for fast zone heating as they have fans (with all the consequences I mentioned above). So why pay a few hundred dollar for a space heater when you can pick one up at your local big box store for $30? Also in the month I ran the Edenpure unit I saw an increase of about 8% on my electric bill versus the radiator unit. Im just another sucker. rooms for rent in. We have the 1000, and the 1000XL, the are the first ones. They are thu the wall units that look like AC units they are about 12k to 15k btu each.A heat pump is about 1 to 3 energy gain $1 in you get $3 out.Dont be fooled by the snake oil salesman. Any electric heater is 100% efficient. Best of luck. Of course, it seems that would use more electricity, but some of you just don't read the material correctly or don't read it at all. Shame--big time--on Bob Vila, since he HAS to know better. Electric heat is VERY expensive, no matter how much you pay for your heater. The only way it would have is if I used it exactly like the Eden Pure is supposed to be used. This heater will warm almost my entire upstairs, 1250 sq ft. Today, I had my central heat heat on 64 to try to save $$$ on my electricity. June 10, 2022 bardowie . ft house that you keep at 70 degrees during the winter. Al Metcalf if you want to call them stupid go right ahead anyone with half a brain can debunk your hair dryer vs heat gun theory. So I am not really surprised. the unfortunate part is, that double-wide homes MANY TIMES (not always) have poor ductwork systems (leaky or poor quality ductwork) or inexpensive heat pump systems. The claims include: There are a few ways to use a portable electric heater to save money: Electric heaters are not an efficient way to heat a home cheaply. Now, if you doubt that I read that or that it can be true, the next one I copied and pasted for the guy who said 1500 watts is 1500 watts and will put out the same. The point that needs to be understood is that any type of room heater that you utilize to perform "zone heating" will save you money. But, to satisfy the originator of this, no I would not buy another EdenPure. No complaints at all. 4) Contrary to this article and many of its posts, the reason why infrared heaters have been so successful is not because of slick marketingprimarily it has been word of mouth. I have changed my mind and will not be purchasing the eden pure and will no longer trust Mr. Vila as someone who has MY best interest at heart. Hello everyone,Wow what a group of knowledge about the Eden pure heater glad that I came upon this Hub.I find the info very good, and I would like to thank all of you for your comments especially Energy Eng.,Lots of good suggestions and just good ole plain sense.I've been looking at getting one of the Eden pures and just trying it out to see if it will accommodate some of my heating needs.My wife and I are not sure what type to get ,but we know that the basic hearter furnance is not the most efficient.We will try it and get back to you all.Again thanks for the info and the laughs.God bless and have a wonderful Christmas and Holidays. Sorry about the math confusion, but I really did mean cubic feet, not square feet. are surprised when they experience comfortable, cost-efficiently operating systems in other manufactured homes. Oh, yes, and for the guy who said how can the ceramic remove moisture from the air, if you will look, there is only one model that is also a dehumidifyer, so it is both a heater PLUS a dehumidifyer. From $15 to the cheapest electric coil and fan garage heater (which I wound NOT recommend as it actually burns oxygen in the air), to $250 fancy infrared "wood stove-looking" (electric, of course) heater. I bought the Gen4, have it in the living room in the center of the 1250 sq feet, and I have not turned on my heater. If you sheeple need to believe otherwise, so be it. I have a ceramic cube heater I bought 25 years ago for $19.95 that will. Gas burners are a hazard in a barn with hay even if only in a side utility room. VERY EXPENSIVE, but interestly enough my sisters was higher and she has a smaller home and a heat pump. Certainly the bedrooms are cooler, but remember it is a zone heater not meant to warm the entire area of 1250 sq ft, although the bedrooms are not cold. (Every degree you lower the thermostat(s) can save you about 2 percent on your heating bill.) A few comments are concerned with my personal experience with EdenPURE. Program your thermostat and lower the temperature inside your home so it is closer to the temperature outside. I was told that I have 60 days trial and could return it back within 60 if I choose to, but that is not true. This scam reminds me of Obama: you can pretty much lie and say anything you want for a long time and get away with it ! Last night it was 24 degrees outside, and inside my living area may have been 60 in the middle of the night, but with daylight, the temp in my living area was 64. It is now the 12th of Jan. and no heater. If they did, they would have to absorb water, wouldn't they. Hogwash. Unfortunately the answer is "No, the efficiency is identical.". And, BTW, author of this site, it is SQUARE FEET, not CUBIC as you stated. It's CFM rate is horrible vs. a fan forced electric heater. The key is that the Eden Pure is meant for a certain zone of from 300 - 1000 sq feet depending on the unit you select. The filter is as overpriced and useless as the heater. I just looked them up, and they are 42.99 plus 9.95 shipping. We have unplugged our Eden Pure and have decided to think of this as a 300.00 back up heat source in case our gas furnace takes a dump. Perhaps another heater would work as well, but this one works real well. 00 EdenPURE GEN40 Heater $247. The clue is in the word personal . Nothing is 100% efficient. U CANT HEAT HOT WATER DUH! The same method can be used in the walls, ceiling, and floor of a mobile home to regulate its temperature. PUT A THRMOSTAT IN EACH LARGE ROOM IN YOUR HOUSE THEN INSTALL A SWITCHER TO CONTROL EACH THERMOSTAT IT CUT MY BILL IN HALF. If it heats, cools, moves air or water, we do it. Why would Villa want to be associated with this ?? I bought 2 refurbished EP heaters 8 years ago and both are still working just fine. A friend of mine purchased 2 after experiencing my heater. Igrosfera.org / / bill burkett heaters. I live in a double wall 2500 sq ft log home (outside logs, insulation, inside logs). Go to the Home Depot, Lowe's, Cosco etc., and choose the heater out of couple of dozens designs they have there. What a fiasco-I will never purchase anything from Edenpure or anything associated with Bob Villa. P.S. Would i recommend them? I have no complaints. This can be an effective do-it-yourself project, just be careful doing so, or get someone experienced to help you. Then, if you read the contents, there is no coverage for the first TWO years. Energy savings will be the same either way. We have found that if you turn the heater on and just leave it alone, it really does a great job. Space heaters save money because instead of heating your whole home, you just heat a small space. I unpacked this one and turned it on and the fan barely would run. About the same. He claimed that in 1997, while outside the governor's office in Austin, he overheard a conversation about I live in the South, and that is high for me (keep in mind I have not experienced this because I have not used it 24 hours a day). And third, it provides soft radiant heat that EVENLY spread around the room. I am lucky to have a couple of working ones, they do help, but after reading all the electric experts and cost of cheaper 1500w heaters, I must sadly say, I have been scamed. You get what you pay for, and many manufactured homes do not put the quality into their heating systems, ductowrk, etc. Of course, I was always skeptical, since their full page ads with lots and lots of "information" never mentions the heat output of the unit nor how much electricity it consumes. You're a blind moron, since you started name calling, when I'm just trying to help people out. Same reasons. 29/12/2020 . The laws of physics, which can't be changed, say they'll both do the same thing. BTW, I did see a DuraFlame (the maker of the duraflame logs) had a heater with a description that was practically identical to the EdenPure and it was only approximately $225. I've had my EdenPure for over 10 years and it's still going strong. With extensive time, money and research devoted to product development and safety, EdenPURE has emerged as an industry leader. They are perfect for sleeping. Space heater with pretreated heat exchanger Patent number: 7046918 Everybody is forsale for a price Even BOB VILLA. Now, here we have a 1500 watt that will be plugged into the same 120 outlet as the Eden Pure, yet the Eden Pure will with its 1500 watts heat up to 1000 sq ft, and this one heats 150?? I have gas heat but use this at night to warm my bedroom, rather than raise the thermostat to heat the whole house. Sorry to sound so negative in my postings here, it's just I hate to see people get taken, especially someone who believes what they are sold on TV infomercials like these. 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